Re: Stop pretending HRC won a mandate. She is loathed by half the US.

Date:2019-03-23 14:53:24
Edited:2019-03-23 15:04:48
In Reply To:Re: Stop pretending HRC won a mandate. She is loathed by half the US. by squarooticus
squarooticus proclaimed:
Nos proclaimed:

Most people on the left were pretty aware of it. Hillary even pointed out on the debate stage that Trump was going to be a Russian stooge.
This is still not in evidence, so stop asserting it. It's looking more and more like Trump people (whether Trump was in on it or not) were looking for dirt on Hillary and used the Russians as a source. Whether that's "collusion" or not depends on your PoV, I suppose, but I've seen zero evidence that Trump is doing Putin's bidding because of blackmail or other left-wing wet dreams.

By the time of the 2016 election Trump had lied dozens of times, was caught engaging in "locker room talk," spoke about the size of his penis in a national debate, and even brought in Bill's accusers to a presidential debate.

I don't know about most people, but the signs of his instability were frighteningly obvious. The issue with Hillary's email leak was quite disturbing, but there was no proof of Russian collusion at the time. It could have been anyone.

But that's changed.

An uncomfortable number of claims in the Steele dossier have been corroborated. This puts some of the most explosive claims in an interesting light.

With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time. In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos. We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically. The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven.

The dossier reports:

Over the period March-September 2016 a company called [redacted] and its affiliates had been using botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs, steal data and conduct “altering operations” against the Democratic Party leadership. Entities linked to one [redacted] were involved and he and another hacking expert, both recruited under duress by the FSB, [redacted] were significant players in this operation.

Additionally, it reports:

the Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing email messages, emanating from the Democratic National Committee (DNC), to the Wikileaks platform. The reason for using Wikileaks was "plausible deniability" and the operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of his campaign team.

This has been corroborated:
Trump advisor Roger Stone publicly acknowledged that he had communicated with Guccifer 2.0 and was likely the unnamed individual to whom the indictment refers.

While the GRU indictment does not provide any additional detail on communications between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and Guccifer 2.0 or Wikileaks, the draft statement of offense for Jerome Corsi does. Corsi, an author connected to Stone, publicly released the draft statement on Nov. 27, 2018.

The document states:

CORSI said that in the summer of 2016 an associate ([Roger Stone]) who CORSI understood to be in regular contact with senior members of the Trump Campaign, including with then-candidate Donald J. Trump, asked CORSI to get in touch with [Wikileaks] about materials it possessed relevant to the presidential campaign that had not already been released.

[A]fter [Stone] asked CORSI to get in touch with [Wikileaks], CORSI did not decline the request as he stated in the interview. Instead, CORSI contacted an individual who resided in London, England (“overseas individual”) to pass on [Stone’s] request to learn about materials in [Wikileaks’] possession that could be relevant to the presidential campaign. CORSI thereafter told [Stone] that [Wikileaks] possessed information that would be damaging to then-candidate Hillary Clinton and that [Wikileaks] planned to release damaging information in October 2016.

a. On or about July 25, 2016, [Stone] sent an email to CORSI with the subject line, “Get to [Wikileaks founder Julian Assange].” The body of the message read: “Get to [Assange] [a]t Ecuadorian Embassy in London and get the pending [Wikileaks] emails … they deal with [the Clinton Foundation], allegedly.” On or about the same day, CORSI forwarded [Stone’s] email to the overseas individual.

b. On or about July 31, 2016, [Stone] emailed CORSI with the subject line, “Call me MON.” The body of the email read in part that the overseas individual should see [Assange].”

c. On or about August 2, 2016, CORSI responded to [Stone] by email. CORSI wrote that he was currently in Europe and planned to return in mid-August. CORSI stated: “Word is friend in embassy plans 2 more dumps. One shortly after I’m back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging …. Time to let more than [Clinton Campaign chairman John Podesta] be exposed as in bed w enemy if they are not ready to drop HRC [Hillary Rodham Clinton.] That appears to be the game hackers are now about. Would not hurt to start suggesting HRC old, memory bad, has stroke -- neither he nor she well. I expect that much of next dump focus, setting stage for Foundation debacle.”
That seems like a textbook case of collusion: a secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose.

I believe people's view on this will likely depend upon their tax bracket.

squarooticus proclaimed:

As my friend Adam says, the best way to get a Democrat elected in 2020 is to run someone centrist with a military background, no evidence of an ideological position on abortion, and plenty of photos of him (probably literally "him") with AR-15s. You can't always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need.
They should not use an AR-15, or they'll never make it out of the democratic primary alive. Target shooting - perhaps clay pigeons - would be a safe approach. They need to distance themselves from hunters, and mass murderers.

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