Date:2017-06-12 21:01:30
Edited:2017-06-22 01:36:38
In Reply To:Re: I'm sure you've all come to accept eurosocialism as the one true faith by now. by Matt Johnsen
Plenty of lefties think Cuba is awesome, yet don't move there. Too hot? :-P
Is that actually true? I was under the impression that no one really thinks Cuba is awesome.
I don't mean to overgeneralize; certainly far from all of the left. The one phrase I seem to hear a lot is...
Their healthcare system, by and large, is pretty nice, though.
...Yes, this. :-P Imagine a fascist country that American conservatives like to point at and say "the trains run on time there." But the thing is, while this fascist country does have a lot of trains, they seldom run on time. But, because they have a lot of them conservatives like to say that they run on time.

That's where Cuba, and a lot of other far less authoritarian countries, are at (to my eyes) with heathcare. "Universal" and "good" are separate qualities.
Yeah, but as it turns out, their healthcare system is not merely universal, but also pretty good. Life expectancy is the same in Cuba as in the US, and they have lower infant mortality rates, and they achieve this whiles spending vastly less per capita on healthcare than we do. As Freud used to say, sometimes a well-run fascist train system is just a well-run fascist train system.

To the extent which Cuban state reported figures can even be trusted, it becomes significantly easier to have a low infant mortality rate when overall birth rates are plummeting, and the abortion rate is among the highest in the world... with some reports by doctors and patients of extreme pressure to abort when they think chances of medical complications with the child are high.

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