Re: I agree. I suspect once people get tired of being lied to about taxes by the billionaires, things will improve.

Date:2019-02-23 16:02:33
Edited:2019-02-23 16:20:36
In Reply To:Re: I agree. I suspect once people get tired of being lied to about taxes by the billionaires, things will improve. by T.J. Swoboda
T.J. Swoboda proclaimed:

Sometimes supply side/trickle down economics works out the way we want it to, sometimes it doesn't.
Examples? Reagan touted TDE during the primary campaign, and HWB called it "Voodoo Economics." Reagan's fiscal incompetence resulted in an exploding debt, and a subsequent change of tone (i.e. he brought back taxes).
As projections for the deficit worsened, it became clear that the 1981 tax cut was too big. So with Reagan’s signature, Congress undid a good chunk of the 1981 tax cut by raising taxes a lot in 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1987. George H.W. Bush signed another tax increase in 1990 and Bill Clinton did the same in 1993. One lesson from that history: When tax cuts are really too big to be sustainable, they’re often followed by tax increases.

T.J. Swoboda proclaimed:
I'd love to see him elected president, but Ron Paul is hardly a moderate! :)
Yeah, I know. I didn't mean to infer that Paul is a moderate, but... (the long form answer) by shifting policies in his direction would be beneficial. Reducing the size of government, reigning in the Fed (no, I don't think we could End the Fed as Paul famously wrote about (though it was a pretty good read), but shifting away from incentivising colleges and universities to overload students with crushing debt would be a good thing, same with his positions on healthcare, etc... We wouldn't be able to transition into a Ron Paul World - the immediate effects would be catastrophic, but we could incrementally shift in that direction... which is what I would like to see a moderate do.

T.J. Swoboda proclaimed:
This is a guy who has promised to abolish the IRS in his first week as president, and to dismantle everything that depends on it.
That's just a rhetorical device. I love hyperbole as much as the next guy, but it's not reality, and Paul knew that at the time. He was selling the libertarian dream in much the same way Sanders rehashed 60s-era fantasies that his base greedily ate up like children with handfuls of cotton candy standing in line at the Ferris Wheel.

T.J. Swoboda proclaimed:
His son Rand OTOH is far closer to being a moderate.
No. Rand's an asshole.

T.J. Swoboda proclaimed:

One thing I've come to see though, is that while I don't believe Ron Paul is a racist himself he's willfully lied down with them. That picture of him with Ron Black doesn't lie, and can't be chalked up to Lew Rockwell ghostwriting on a bad day. I think that some libertarians see a realpolitik connection to white nationalism, but any common ground is illusory. Calling oneself both a minarchist and a white nationalist is pretty much the same thing (in terms of cognitive dissonance, not necessarily morality) as calling oneself a socialist and an anarchist: You can't advance those goals without government force. I, in any case can't suggest with a straight face to a non-white person that they should vote for someone like Ron Paul, unless Paul or another ultra-minarchist candidate completely eschews white supremacy.racism As I said recently, that it's easier to take a given stance on an issue from a position of privilege doesn't automatically make that stance wrong. But it does mean that one should advocate the stance from the position of understanding such privilege exists in the first place.
Paul has eschewed white supremacy many times, but that's besides the point. I agree. I personally don't believe Paul's a racist; however, I fully believe that he undermined his long-term viability by playing to, and placating, his rabid base, which included racists. Look at the Tea Party for another example of a well-meaning movement being corrupted by extremists. And that was before they became a tool of the GOP, and a political pariah.

Cultural norms shift over time. Hillary advocating for civil unions in the 90s sounded damned progressive at the time, especially to the opposition who used their book of fiction to maintain their white patriarchy. Hillary used a moderate's approach all the while knowing that this was just a step. She was fighting for equality.

Looking back at it roughly twenty years later it seems tone-deaf. But that's because it's being taken out of context. This happens all the time, and it's invariably this kind of cherry-picked data that is most often used as confirmation bias by a political opponent.

The GOP tried the same thing with Sanders' rape fantasies, and McCain's PTSD whisper campaign that GWB's team launched during the 2000 primaries, when it looked like McCain could win the nomination.

That's why even today, you don't seem to realize that Ron Paul has been eschewing racism for a long time.

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